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  •   You stole the words from my mouth, papi ;) (none / 0)

    Camping is an issue in every game to some extent. The difference is in Halo you can take enough damage to survey the situation quickly. Realistic? no. More fun? Definitely.

    Then Gears takes it to a whole new level. You have an over the shoulder view giving you the ability to see more around you, plus you can take a few hits before dying.

    Camping in COD4 is one of the major reason I just can't get into it.

    by SweetTea023 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:38:02 PM EST

    •  Why is everything compared to Halo??? (none / 0)

      I honestly see camping in Halo a pretty big problem as well. I can't tell you how many times I have walked through a doorway and been killed by the same guy with a shotty multiple lives in a row. In CoD (at least not hardcore), the killcam actually does ALOT to decrease camping. The problem is that most people want to get right back into the action and skip the killcam. My recommendation to you papi (and others), is to watch the killcam and toss a grenade or flash bang in the room they are camping. Even if it doesn't kill them, it will at least force them to move a little bit and become somewhat disoriented.

      by MacheteMan7 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:58:43 PM EST

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      •  I can disagree with that. (none / 0)

        Even after I watched the killcam, tossed all kinds of nades, still got killed by that very same camper. Even if they move, they just go right back to where they were.

        This is our decision, to live fast and die young. We've got the vision, now let's have some fun.

        by Grymm on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:02:19 PM EST

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      •  Everything is compared to Halo probably (none / 0)

        because it is one of the most popular shooters of all time...

        As for camping in Halo~If you die multiple times in the same spot, maybe you should throw some nades in there first instead of just walking in...;)

        by SweetTea023 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:28:56 PM EST

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        •  on a random note (none / 0)

          I think COD4 was the most played online 360 game again last month.

          Not all who wander are lost

          by Zoso Fan on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:57:36 PM EST

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        •  Let the (none / 0)

          Machete/Sweet battle begin...or continue!

          Oct 21/08 Nov 7/08

          by carr on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:01:15 PM EST

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        •  Or.. (none / 0)

          Maybe not go to that same spot multiple times?  All you do by that is feed your opponent's killing spree and put the other team one step closer to winning.

          I seriously can't think of one spot in Halo 3 where you can camp and not have to constantly watch your back.  Bungie was smart in designing multiple paths that can be taken into rooms to allow flanking and discourage camping.  Get killed going one way?  Go the other - not the same time after time.

          However, in COD I found many instances of players camping a single spot where I could never kill them (doorways is a big one).  One instance I remember was going after this one guy that had been prone camping this one spot the entire game.  Even after tossing a crab load of flash bangs and my two frags, and charging in, I found him still very much alive.  And you know how that story ends (me=dead).

          It's horrible.

          NXE FTW!

          by Major Silva on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:19:54 PM EST

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          •  For someone (none / 0)

            who religiously plays Halo, I think its pretty naive to think that theres no camping spots in Halo.  Just look at snowbound how many times have people camped out the basement, or even the buildings.  Yes there are multiple routes in and out but now instead of having 1 guy camping you have a whole team.  We've had enough Halo vs. COD here and we know who stands on what side of this war.  I just dont understand when everytime we bring something up about one game someone on either side has to defend their holy game.  

            Oct 21/08 Nov 7/08

            by carr on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:11:17 PM EST

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            •  afsd (none / 0)

              You're targeting only one map.  Bungie knows the frustration with shield doors, and that's why you rarely see the few maps that contain them appear in Matchmaking.  

              Personally I'd like to hear a map named that doesn't contain shield doors that you think is a camp fest.

              NXE FTW!

              by Major Silva on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 02:18:46 AM EST

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    •  I actually prefer the quick deaths (none / 0)

      in COD4.

      I would rather be killed by a camper than hit a guy a bunch of times while he hops away and get 80% of my kills stolen.

      Thats truly the balance.

      Do you want camping? Or lots of stolen kills.

      Tbh, campers suck. But when met with good team strategy on Hardcore you are fine. And if you are not on Hardcore, killcam gives away their position.

      Play PC and win. lol

      Back to Halo though, the idea of a guy not going down when we spray at each other full clips is annoying... especially when a guy can sit on a high ground, spray us both, and get both kills.

      Thats a bigger slap in the face imo then dealing with noobs.

      Campers are not there all the time. But the basic design of Halo is there every moment.

      Not all who wander are lost

      by Zoso Fan on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 04:02:45 PM EST

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      •  Uh.. (none / 0)

        "the idea of a guy not going down when we spray at each other full clips is annoying"

        En3r6y shieldzz n00b.  its teh 2500'z!!!1

        And can we honestly stop bashing Halo for more than a month?  It's like ever since Bungie cancelled on us it's back to the whole, "let's forget about/not play Halo and occassionally bash it now" attitude.  And rather than change how Halo works with custom game variants and the like, many of you would prefer to just complain about the basic Matchmaking gameplay.

        But whatever.  Enjoy playing the same game over and over again with COD and continue to bash Halo because of its "flawed gameplay mechanics" and "noobish players that like to bunny hop all the time" (which is a complete overstatement and every one of you know it).

        I'm not targeting just Zoso here.  The continued revitalizing of the Halo-COD4 subject is annoying.

        NXE FTW!

        by Major Silva on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:30:35 PM EST

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        •  well (none / 0)

          1. I have been saying this since weeks after launch.

          2. I like GEARS more than COD4.

          How about you read my posts instead of complaining about their content.

          And if you don't like the arguments, how about you bring this us when Halo is mentioned in a non-halo discussion.... but tbh, Halo is on topic. We are gamers, we are discussing games.

          " Enjoy playing the same game over and over again with COD"

          That is a completely idiotic statement imo. Have you played COD1, COD2 and COD4? They are massively different in the way they play.

          If anything, that argument holds better to Halo's core mechanics.

          So i think i might drop the big "STFU" on that lol.

          And i honestly did give Halo a welcoming try (i think i have actually played more than you Sweetea on a random note).

          Just because we all don't agree that Halo is the second coming doesn't make us against the game. Read my review. It is an amazingly EPICLY awesome game. It's just i prefer COD and GOW especially over it.

          It's a matter of taste, and the fact that you are so aggressive to a series (COD) you evidently don't understand or never gave time to (seriously give me a better argument against COD... they are definitely out there) shows that you are in fact the one being arragant and not coming to the argument with an open mind.

          /rant lol.

          Not all who wander are lost

          by Zoso Fan on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:44:40 PM EST

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          •  Misunderstand. (none / 0)

            I wasn't saying the COD series hasn't changed over time.  I'm talking about COD4 specifically.  You pop in the disc; you have the same exact maps, the same exact gameplay, the same perks and weapons you've unlocked, the same graphics, etc.  It's just so stagnant and monotonous to me.

            A big factor that made me quit playing it was the fact that I simply wasn't having fun playing it.  I die every five to ten seconds in that game.  To me, that's nowhere near fun.  It eventually got to the point where I said, "why am I playing this?".  

            I play games for the competition and the fun factor.  But COD4 is neither competitive nor fun for me.  It's not competitive because I get owned at it whenever I attempt to play it; so there's no real competition for me personally with my -20+ per game K/D spread.  And the fact that (as mentioned before) I'm dying after turning around every corner.

            If it would be interesting to anyone, I may write up a mini "review" of the game and the faults I find therein.

            But as for Gears vs. COD; I don't think I really have to answer that.  Sorry I didn't accept the invites tonight, but I was busy with.. stuff.  By now you know what :).

            NXE FTW!

            by Major Silva on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 02:15:59 AM EST

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          •  I'm (obviously) with Major on this one.... (none / 0)

            It has been nothing but bashing Halo since it came out. There isn't a week that goes by that someone doesn't throw out a 'bunny hopping' or 'steal killing' halo joke..

            We're not saying it's the second coming-We're just saying it's frickin' awesome and waaay better than everyone here gives it credit for.

            by SweetTea023 on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 12:41:33 PM EST

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            •  Not worth it (none / 0)

              Sweetie, I love ya man, but that's a losing battle around here. It's just not worth the effort.

              by X David Ellis X on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 12:44:06 PM EST

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            •  i don't think people have been (none / 0)

              THAT anti halo. If anything its like 4-5 people. Thats giving a lot of benefit of the doubt. I don't think those people represent a whole community.

              And if you are talking about people not liking the game as "haters", that is just ridiculous.

              For example, I do not hate halo at all. Its a GREAT campaign experience, brings a lot of online innovation in terms of options and variants. But i prefer GOW and COD4's gameplay over Halo 3's. I have tried getting into all the crazy forge things, grifball even quite a lot.

              I like team deathmatch. Its the heart and soul of an online FPS. And given the bare essentials, i have more FUN with COD and GOW than i do with Halo 3.

              That is not blasphemy, or me being a "hater". I just prefer one game over another.

              And the thing is Sweety, the reason you see so many people dissing out the haterade on the site is because 80%+ of your posts include the game.

              You insist that "this is why i like Halo", or "Halo does things better".

              It just sets you up to be questioned by dem haterz. lol

              Not all who wander are lost

              by Zoso Fan on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 01:24:09 PM EST

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              •  My Halo 3 review (none / 0)

                http://www.gearheadsofwar.com/story/2007/10/18/17023/850#commenttop

                Not all who wander are lost

                by Zoso Fan on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 01:30:04 PM EST

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              •  but the things i mention (none / 0)

                arent even disputed...like a solid matchmaking or that forge brings a lot of freshness to the game.

                ill post anything about halo and there will always be haterz

                80% of a lot of people's posts are about cod4...but i dont diss it repeatedy

                but like david said, its just not worth the fight on this site

                by SweetTea023 on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 06:17:20 PM EST

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                •  the argument isn't if (none / 0)

                  matchmaking and forge suck. They obviously don't.

                  It's that core fun in gameplay is better in other games. Which is completely debatable and different per person and taste.

                  "its just not worth the fight on this site"

                  That kinda sounds like an anti-gearheads remark tbh... :(

                  I don't think people are that anti-halo. I am not, (though i joke around). I love the halo series. I played Halo 2 and the original in LAN SOOOO much.

                  And once again, i say its only a handful of people that say negative things about halo on this site. And to be honest, they have all the right. Just like you do to say things positive about Halo and negative about COD4.

                  Not all who wander are lost

                  by Zoso Fan on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 07:36:55 PM EST

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                  •  I get what your saying (none / 0)

                    and I'm not saying people don't have the right. I'm just saying (and I'm not the only one who thinks this way so there must be some validity to it) that more than a handful are anti-halo. And I would bet the majority that don't like Halo, probably aren't very good at it. It's frustrating and not fun to play a game your not currently good at...that's why its so hard for me to get into COD4 a lot of times.

                    And "it's not worth the site" because it seems the majority aren't willing to try and like Halo. (Not you zos...) It is a pain to get a room full of gearheads (we always have tons of gearheads friends) and so that's where we're coming from.

                    I've had some of the best gaming times of my life playing with David and the rest of the Halo fans here on GearHeads. I just wish everyone else would try it.

                    by SweetTea023 on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 02:27:59 AM EST

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                •  Im pretty (none / 0)

                  sure that everyone would agree with you that Bungie has created a formula that should be copied when it comes to matchmaking.  There is the odd hiccup but for the most part I love what they've done with matchmaking.  And Forge is a great feature which has been praised many a times on these very forums.  

                  Oct 21/08 Nov 7/08

                  by carr on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 07:38:14 PM EST

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                •  Honestly it's a two-way street (none / 0)

                  I think people have been unfair on Halo 3.  Zoso is right in that it had a fantastic campaign and the co-op implementation was brilliant.  On top of it all, they had really fun elements like Grifball and Forge.  

                  I do also think that Sweet holds it up as the perfect paragon of gaming a little too frequently which inspires others to quickly chime in with their opinions on how flawed they think it is.

                  I just think it needs to end.  I like Halo 3 a lot, but it isn't my first choice for a MP game.  That doesn't make me right or wrong, and yet I still remain a Gearhead.

                  Dissenting opinion is good as long as people keep it reasonable and rational and it's bordering on not being there any more.

                  by papi blez on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 02:24:24 AM EST

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            •  I dont (none / 0)

              want you to think that because I prefer COD over H3 that I hate H3.  The main reason from my lack of H3 playing is the fact that Halo 2 stole a year of my life, I lived for H2.  Especially the maps, they were amazing in H2 and when H3 came out I had so much confidence that the maps would be even better.   But that wasnt the case.  Also if you havent noticed Ive really been trying to get some games with gearheads.  So Ill say it again sweet if you see me online and want to play some H3 I would love to join you and who knows maybe Ill switch teams (as Im getting bored with COD now)! Just dont want you to think that I hate Halo I just prefer COD over it.  And I will agree with Zos how you always feel the need to defend Halo even when halo wasn't called out! Im pretty sure the whole community knows where we all stand on these 2 games.  

              Oct 21/08 Nov 7/08

              by carr on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 02:00:42 PM EST

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