Campers Ahoy!
By papi blez
Posted on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 01:04:36 PM EST

As many of you know, I've been a big-time COD4 fan since it was released.  At the same time, Gears of War is probably in my top three games of all-time.  Yet there is a dynamic to Gears that most people find incredibly annoying about COD4. It's called camping.  

Camping is one of the reasons why I can't stand playing COD4 in hardcore mode because so many people set up shop in one position, often using UAV jammer and a silencer and just pick people off as they run around.  It's probably good strategy in the "real" world when you're NOT playing a video game, but that's not usually why I play a fast game like COD4.  I like to be on the move.  Cautiously, mind you, but I like to move around, even if it is within the same area, but I don't plant myself in one area and stay there the entire game.

At the same time, when you hide in Gears of War, it's viewed as good strategy.  And it really is good strategy.  Maybe it's because the dynamic of one life to live in Gears versus the respawning system of games like Halo and COD4 (people complain about campers in Halo too).  Or maybe it's because the dynamic of essentially hiding (press A to get into cover) is built into the game dynamic of Gears?

But it's funny because nothing gives me greater pleasure in Gears than working a flank while someone is engaged with a teammate and dropping a boom on that unsuspecting person.  It gives me great satisfaction to blow someone to bits who never saw it coming.

At the same time, nothing is more annoying than running to a different position in COD and see someone laying down on the floor of the doorway you just entered and gunning you down.  Or the sniper who hides somewhere that no one can find because of the lack of the kill cam in hardcore.  Yet it is essentially the same strategy.  

Do you find campers annoying in COD?  Is there such a thing as "camping" in Gears and if so, do you think it's nearly as annoying as campers in COD?  I've been thinking about this for a while now and I think it ultimately comes down to style of stop and pop game play versus what is supposed to be "run-n-gun" game play in COD?


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the thing about gears though

is that during a "battle" between two people they are essentially locked in the same position, making it easier to flank. Also the life system in gears is a bit different in the fact that you can take a hit or two without dying, whereas in CoD you take a burst from any gun and you're going down.

by BoxinLeprechaun on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 01:23:14 PM EST


I have a Tshirt

from Red Vs Blue that shows a tent with a sniper rifle sticking out. It says "Camping a perfectly legitimate strategy". I can't stand when people camp out on me. But I find it fun to pick people off while camping myself. hahaha It is annoying though and should be kept to a minimum. You don't rack up kills or win games camping either you have to get out there and "do it" as some say.

by Windowlicker77 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 01:31:44 PM EST


That's why I haven't played COD in a couple weeks

If I am going to play online again, it is going to have to be "regular" not "hardcore".

Playing video games is just that...  video games.

If everyone camps, then no one is killed.

I would love to spectate a game with a bunch of COD campers on it and see what the final score is.

I am looking for Action in a video game, not a score.  That means putting yourself in harms way for the sake of the game.

Camping in Gears is acceptable because like Boxin said "You can usually take a hit or two" even if surprised.  The Balance to camping with Gears is that if let's say I do it all the time and my teammates are basically playing 3 vs 4, then they are going to get p.o'd cause I'm not helping.  The format of 4 vs 4 (one life) Teamwork is important is the main intidote for camping.

"I do not tell lies, but I am a savage".

by Kenai 91 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 01:39:57 PM EST


You stole the words from my mouth, papi ;)

Camping is an issue in every game to some extent. The difference is in Halo you can take enough damage to survey the situation quickly. Realistic? no. More fun? Definitely.

Then Gears takes it to a whole new level. You have an over the shoulder view giving you the ability to see more around you, plus you can take a few hits before dying.

Camping in COD4 is one of the major reason I just can't get into it.

Community Manager
GearHeads: Always running above 60 FPS~Nothing Less. -carr

by SweetTea023 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:38:02 PM EST


Why is everything compared to Halo???

I honestly see camping in Halo a pretty big problem as well. I can't tell you how many times I have walked through a doorway and been killed by the same guy with a shotty multiple lives in a row. In CoD (at least not hardcore), the killcam actually does ALOT to decrease camping. The problem is that most people want to get right back into the action and skip the killcam. My recommendation to you papi (and others), is to watch the killcam and toss a grenade or flash bang in the room they are camping. Even if it doesn't kill them, it will at least force them to move a little bit and become somewhat disoriented.

by MacheteMan7 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:58:43 PM EST
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I can disagree with that.

Even after I watched the killcam, tossed all kinds of nades, still got killed by that very same camper. Even if they move, they just go right back to where they were.



Spell IHOP then say "ness"

by Grymm on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:02:19 PM EST
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Everything is compared to Halo probably

because it is one of the most popular shooters of all time...

As for camping in Halo~If you die multiple times in the same spot, maybe you should throw some nades in there first instead of just walking in...;)

Community Manager
GearHeads: Always running above 60 FPS~Nothing Less. -carr

by SweetTea023 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:28:56 PM EST
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on a random note

I think COD4 was the most played online 360 game again last month.

Eat A Peach

by Zoso Fan on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:57:36 PM EST
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Let the

Machete/Sweet battle begin...or continue!

"What about the toe? FORGET ABOUT THE FUCKING TOE!"

by carr on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:01:15 PM EST
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Or..

Maybe not go to that same spot multiple times?  All you do by that is feed your opponent's killing spree and put the other team one step closer to winning.

I seriously can't think of one spot in Halo 3 where you can camp and not have to constantly watch your back.  Bungie was smart in designing multiple paths that can be taken into rooms to allow flanking and discourage camping.  Get killed going one way?  Go the other - not the same time after time.

However, in COD I found many instances of players camping a single spot where I could never kill them (doorways is a big one).  One instance I remember was going after this one guy that had been prone camping this one spot the entire game.  Even after tossing a crab load of flash bangs and my two frags, and charging in, I found him still very much alive.  And you know how that story ends (me=dead).

It's horrible.

Go time brotha

by Major Silva on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:19:54 PM EST
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For someone

who religiously plays Halo, I think its pretty naive to think that theres no camping spots in Halo.  Just look at snowbound how many times have people camped out the basement, or even the buildings.  Yes there are multiple routes in and out but now instead of having 1 guy camping you have a whole team.  We've had enough Halo vs. COD here and we know who stands on what side of this war.  I just dont understand when everytime we bring something up about one game someone on either side has to defend their holy game.  

"What about the toe? FORGET ABOUT THE FUCKING TOE!"

by carr on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:11:17 PM EST
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afsd

You're targeting only one map.  Bungie knows the frustration with shield doors, and that's why you rarely see the few maps that contain them appear in Matchmaking.  

Personally I'd like to hear a map named that doesn't contain shield doors that you think is a camp fest.

Go time brotha

by Major Silva on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 02:18:46 AM EST
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Construct

by MacheteMan7 on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 09:08:55 AM EST
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asdf

Care to specify where?  Cause I'm drawing a blank.

Go time brotha

by Major Silva on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:33:16 AM EST
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When you fly

up the purple lift things, there is someone there with a mauler 90% of the time. Please don't make it seem like I am bashing the game guys, you asked me where there were campers and I am responding to it. I agree that there are campers in CoD as well (many more infact), but that doesn't change the fact that I like the basic gameplay of CoD more. It's preference, not bashing.

by MacheteMan7 on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 04:38:04 PM EST
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That's weird..

Since there aren't any Maulers in the Matchmaking version of Construct anymore (think there might be one down below somewhere, but just like on maps like Guardian, Bungie removed them for the most part).  The Sword is still a problem on that map though, which is why I prefer the MLG version of the map (but really, I prefer MLG gameplay to the regular Halo gameplay anyway).

But really, there are so many ramps and ways to flank that you don't need to go up the lifts.  Or if you do, do so when you see some team mate callsigns above you.

And yeah, you prefer the gameplay of COD, I prefer Halo's (though I've been wanting to get in on COD in FFF lately, I've been preoccupied on Friday's with our G-ball stuff; looks like we're going to make playoffs!).

Go time brotha

by Major Silva on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 04:47:22 PM EST
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There

are ways around camping in every game, but my point is there is still camping in Halo. It's a great game, but it still does suffer from campers (although not as much as many other games). As for there not being maulers, I haven't done matchmaking on the map in weeks because I got fed up with people camping the lifts and simply back out when the map comes up for me.

by MacheteMan7 on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 04:57:05 PM EST
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THE PIT

"What about the toe? FORGET ABOUT THE FUCKING TOE!"

by carr on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:13:57 AM EST
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I'll agree on that one.

Because I'm thinking you're talking about the Sword room and shotgun halls.  Take those two items out though and it's fine.

Go time brotha

by Major Silva on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:34:17 AM EST
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Ya but

they're in there! All Im trying to say is that camping happens in all games whether it be your beloved Halo or my COD it happens in all games and theres really nothing you can do about it!

"What about the toe? FORGET ABOUT THE FUCKING TOE!"

by carr on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 12:07:30 PM EST
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Well..

There's one good way to take away camping in all forms.

Make a map that's nothing but an empty box and call it done.  Won't have to worry about it then!

Go time brotha

by Major Silva on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 04:48:31 PM EST
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Im not sure

if Im taking this the wrong way, but Im not sure why the hostility towards me in this post.  You originally asked what maps people camp on.  So I gave you examples then you say well ya but only those 2 spots besides that there isnt, then I reply with ya but they're there.  I then go on to say that theres camping in all games whether its halo COD or any other MP game you just cant get around it.  So if Im taking this the wrong way I appologize but the sacarstic response definately wasnt needed you asked I answered thats all.  

"What about the toe? FORGET ABOUT THE FUCKING TOE!"

by carr on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 05:07:42 PM EST
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It's called a joke.

Get used to it and don't take things so literally.  It's my sign of trying to drop a topic, but somehow you twisted it into some crooked sarcastic statement I was trying to say.

Sorry.

Go time brotha

by Major Silva on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 05:47:42 PM EST
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Alright, that is enough!

Major Silva, carr has been polite throughout this thread.   Please treat him with the same respect.  If you don't understand what I mean, take a step back, wait a couple of hours and read your responses again.  

"All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned, every one, to his own way."

by 3Suns on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 06:00:19 PM EST
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That's

why he asked if it was a joke. Sarcasm is harder to catch in text than you would expect.

by MacheteMan7 on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 06:05:01 PM EST
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Hmm if you

didnt read the first line I said Im not sure if Im taking this the wrong way.  You could've said "I was joking" and that would've been the end of it.  

"What about the toe? FORGET ABOUT THE FUCKING TOE!"

by carr on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 07:35:09 PM EST
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I skimmed.

Srry.

Go time brotha

by Major Silva on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 12:24:05 AM EST
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wow dude

You need to stop being so defensive towards anything Halo. Its a videogame for christ sake.

by RoBBins0096 on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 08:46:36 PM EST
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whats with all these

pointless arguments lately.  your arguing on the damn internet.  just let it go.

Im "Geared Up" are you?

by Scotty247 on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:29:29 PM EST
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The fact that it's the internet shouldn't

really matter.

Some people just need to get their points across.



Spell IHOP then say "ness"

by Grymm on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 12:48:57 AM EST
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I actually prefer the quick deaths

in COD4.

I would rather be killed by a camper than hit a guy a bunch of times while he hops away and get 80% of my kills stolen.

Thats truly the balance.

Do you want camping? Or lots of stolen kills.

Tbh, campers suck. But when met with good team strategy on Hardcore you are fine. And if you are not on Hardcore, killcam gives away their position.

Play PC and win. lol

Back to Halo though, the idea of a guy not going down when we spray at each other full clips is annoying... especially when a guy can sit on a high ground, spray us both, and get both kills.

Thats a bigger slap in the face imo then dealing with noobs.

Campers are not there all the time. But the basic design of Halo is there every moment.

Eat A Peach

by Zoso Fan on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 04:02:45 PM EST
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Uh..

"the idea of a guy not going down when we spray at each other full clips is annoying"

En3r6y shieldzz n00b.  its teh 2500'z!!!1

And can we honestly stop bashing Halo for more than a month?  It's like ever since Bungie cancelled on us it's back to the whole, "let's forget about/not play Halo and occassionally bash it now" attitude.  And rather than change how Halo works with custom game variants and the like, many of you would prefer to just complain about the basic Matchmaking gameplay.

But whatever.  Enjoy playing the same game over and over again with COD and continue to bash Halo because of its "flawed gameplay mechanics" and "noobish players that like to bunny hop all the time" (which is a complete overstatement and every one of you know it).

I'm not targeting just Zoso here.  The continued revitalizing of the Halo-COD4 subject is annoying.

Go time brotha

by Major Silva on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:30:35 PM EST
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well

  1. I have been saying this since weeks after launch.

  2. I like GEARS more than COD4.

How about you read my posts instead of complaining about their content.

And if you don't like the arguments, how about you bring this us when Halo is mentioned in a non-halo discussion.... but tbh, Halo is on topic. We are gamers, we are discussing games.

" Enjoy playing the same game over and over again with COD"

That is a completely idiotic statement imo. Have you played COD1, COD2 and COD4? They are massively different in the way they play.

If anything, that argument holds better to Halo's core mechanics.

So i think i might drop the big "STFU" on that lol.

And i honestly did give Halo a welcoming try (i think i have actually played more than you Sweetea on a random note).

Just because we all don't agree that Halo is the second coming doesn't make us against the game. Read my review. It is an amazingly EPICLY awesome game. It's just i prefer COD and GOW especially over it.

It's a matter of taste, and the fact that you are so aggressive to a series (COD) you evidently don't understand or never gave time to (seriously give me a better argument against COD... they are definitely out there) shows that you are in fact the one being arragant and not coming to the argument with an open mind.

/rant lol.

Eat A Peach

by Zoso Fan on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:44:40 PM EST
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Misunderstand.

I wasn't saying the COD series hasn't changed over time.  I'm talking about COD4 specifically.  You pop in the disc; you have the same exact maps, the same exact gameplay, the same perks and weapons you've unlocked, the same graphics, etc.  It's just so stagnant and monotonous to me.

A big factor that made me quit playing it was the fact that I simply wasn't having fun playing it.  I die every five to ten seconds in that game.  To me, that's nowhere near fun.  It eventually got to the point where I said, "why am I playing this?".  

I play games for the competition and the fun factor.  But COD4 is neither competitive nor fun for me.  It's not competitive because I get owned at it whenever I attempt to play it; so there's no real competition for me personally with my -20+ per game K/D spread.  And the fact that (as mentioned before) I'm dying after turning around every corner.

If it would be interesting to anyone, I may write up a mini "review" of the game and the faults I find therein.

But as for Gears vs. COD; I don't think I really have to answer that.  Sorry I didn't accept the invites tonight, but I was busy with.. stuff.  By now you know what :).

Go time brotha

by Major Silva on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 02:15:59 AM EST
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lol

well thank god you aren't handed a gun and go to war ,because you don't get shields son

"Im gonna take a piss, when i come back im gonna talk about The Mighty Duck movie"

by Evil Resident on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 02:49:54 AM EST
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Ridiculous statment

You also don't respawn. Son.

by X David Ellis X on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 03:55:58 AM EST
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lol

yeah.

I was gonna hop on it, but you got it covered. lol

btw, WTF are you doing away from GTA4?

Eat A Peach

by Zoso Fan on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 03:59:31 AM EST
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LOL

Unfortunately, I'm not playing for fun. I'm capturing footage for the video review which should be going up on Sunday.

by X David Ellis X on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 04:05:43 AM EST
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Awesome! :)

Eat A Peach

by Zoso Fan on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 04:06:35 AM EST
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I wish I got paid to play games...

"not" for fun! ;)  We're all haters, Dave!   Jealousy & envy are getting the best of us.  LOL

Breakin' Bs off!!! Wooohhh!!!

by Blankman on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 04:11:12 AM EST
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ha ha Blank!

I see you check the site after the FFF too! :)

Now, where was Zoso's link to "Oh What a Night!" ?

"All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned, every one, to his own way."

by 3Suns on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 04:18:51 AM EST
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LOL Yeppers.

I can't tell you how many times I check this site! :D

Breakin' Bs off!!! Wooohhh!!!

by Blankman on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 04:59:39 AM EST
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its my default homepage lol

Eat A Peach

by Zoso Fan on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 01:14:28 PM EST
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Mine

 as well :)  Gearheads FTW!

by GearsChrisB on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 01:46:35 PM EST
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I'm (obviously) with Major on this one....

It has been nothing but bashing Halo since it came out. There isn't a week that goes by that someone doesn't throw out a 'bunny hopping' or 'steal killing' halo joke..

We're not saying it's the second coming-We're just saying it's frickin' awesome and waaay better than everyone here gives it credit for.

Community Manager
GearHeads: Always running above 60 FPS~Nothing Less. -carr

by SweetTea023 on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 12:41:33 PM EST
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Not worth it

Sweetie, I love ya man, but that's a losing battle around here. It's just not worth the effort.

by X David Ellis X on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 12:44:06 PM EST
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i don't think people have been

THAT anti halo. If anything its like 4-5 people. Thats giving a lot of benefit of the doubt. I don't think those people represent a whole community.

And if you are talking about people not liking the game as "haters", that is just ridiculous.

For example, I do not hate halo at all. Its a GREAT campaign experience, brings a lot of online innovation in terms of options and variants. But i prefer GOW and COD4's gameplay over Halo 3's. I have tried getting into all the crazy forge things, grifball even quite a lot.

I like team deathmatch. Its the heart and soul of an online FPS. And given the bare essentials, i have more FUN with COD and GOW than i do with Halo 3.

That is not blasphemy, or me being a "hater". I just prefer one game over another.

And the thing is Sweety, the reason you see so many people dissing out the haterade on the site is because 80%+ of your posts include the game.

You insist that "this is why i like Halo", or "Halo does things better".

It just sets you up to be questioned by dem haterz. lol

Eat A Peach

by Zoso Fan on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 01:24:09 PM EST
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My Halo 3 review

http://www.gearheadsofwar.com/story/2007/10/18/17023/850#commenttop

Eat A Peach

by Zoso Fan on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 01:30:04 PM EST
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but the things i mention

arent even disputed...like a solid matchmaking or that forge brings a lot of freshness to the game.

ill post anything about halo and there will always be haterz

80% of a lot of people's posts are about cod4...but i dont diss it repeatedy

but like david said, its just not worth the fight on this site

Community Manager
GearHeads: Always running above 60 FPS~Nothing Less. -carr

by SweetTea023 on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 06:17:20 PM EST
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the argument isn't if

matchmaking and forge suck. They obviously don't.

It's that core fun in gameplay is better in other games. Which is completely debatable and different per person and taste.

"its just not worth the fight on this site"

That kinda sounds like an anti-gearheads remark tbh... :(

I don't think people are that anti-halo. I am not, (though i joke around). I love the halo series. I played Halo 2 and the original in LAN SOOOO much.

And once again, i say its only a handful of people that say negative things about halo on this site. And to be honest, they have all the right. Just like you do to say things positive about Halo and negative about COD4.

Eat A Peach

by Zoso Fan on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 07:36:55 PM EST
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I get what your saying

and I'm not saying people don't have the right. I'm just saying (and I'm not the only one who thinks this way so there must be some validity to it) that more than a handful are anti-halo. And I would bet the majority that don't like Halo, probably aren't very good at it. It's frustrating and not fun to play a game your not currently good at...that's why its so hard for me to get into COD4 a lot of times.

And "it's not worth the site" because it seems the majority aren't willing to try and like Halo. (Not you zos...) It is a pain to get a room full of gearheads (we always have tons of gearheads friends) and so that's where we're coming from.

I've had some of the best gaming times of my life playing with David and the rest of the Halo fans here on GearHeads. I just wish everyone else would try it.

Community Manager
GearHeads: Always running above 60 FPS~Nothing Less. -carr

by SweetTea023 on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 02:27:59 AM EST
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Im pretty

sure that everyone would agree with you that Bungie has created a formula that should be copied when it comes to matchmaking.  There is the odd hiccup but for the most part I love what they've done with matchmaking.  And Forge is a great feature which has been praised many a times on these very forums.  

"What about the toe? FORGET ABOUT THE FUCKING TOE!"

by carr on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 07:38:14 PM EST
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Honestly it's a two-way street

I think people have been unfair on Halo 3.  Zoso is right in that it had a fantastic campaign and the co-op implementation was brilliant.  On top of it all, they had really fun elements like Grifball and Forge.  

I do also think that Sweet holds it up as the perfect paragon of gaming a little too frequently which inspires others to quickly chime in with their opinions on how flawed they think it is.

I just think it needs to end.  I like Halo 3 a lot, but it isn't my first choice for a MP game.  That doesn't make me right or wrong, and yet I still remain a Gearhead.

Dissenting opinion is good as long as people keep it reasonable and rational and it's bordering on not being there any more.

by papi blez on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 02:24:24 AM EST
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Agreed

It does go both ways and sometimes I am overly pro-halo 3 because so many people are downing it.

I think Halo 3 is a great memory creating game (16 Gearhead CTF all on Avalanche, anyone!?!) and I hope more people give it a chance....

...though that is unlikely w/ GTA4 coming out

Community Manager
GearHeads: Always running above 60 FPS~Nothing Less. -carr

by SweetTea023 on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 02:31:24 AM EST
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i think you consider

preferring one game over Halo "dissing it" though. Which most of the time is not the case at all.

Eat A Peach

by Zoso Fan on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 02:45:12 AM EST
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Agreed

I don't want this pointless bickering to continue anymore than anyone, but I what annoys me is the fact that almost EVERY SINGLE TIME Halo is brought up, there are several people that go out of their way to point out they are "so over" Halo. If you're bored with it, that's cool. I can understand that, it just doesn't have to be mentioned at every opportunity. Anywho, back to killing more hookers. :)

by X David Ellis X on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 03:32:26 AM EST
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once again:

FUCK YOU! lol.

Can't wait to play it. :)

Eat A Peach

by Zoso Fan on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 03:50:37 AM EST
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VIDEO REVIEW

I'm finishing up the video review which goes up at 9 a.m. PST tomorrow morning. There's a lot of crazy footage in it!

by X David Ellis X on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 04:04:11 AM EST
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Can't wait to see it

Trust all you guys over at Ziff more than anyone else in the buisness.

btw... if you ever see Jeff Green walking around, hug him. He's the man, as was GFW magazine.

Eat A Peach

by Zoso Fan on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 04:26:23 AM EST
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LOL

That's part of my morning ritual.

by X David Ellis X on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 04:46:06 AM EST
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Just watched the video review

Very well done.  I'm super psyched to play this now.  I can't believe I have to wait until Thursday.  Ugh.

by papi blez on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 12:13:42 PM EST
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I've had a good time playing with

you for sure.  My favorite game mode is Grifball, no doubt.

by papi blez on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 12:14:52 PM EST
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I dont

want you to think that because I prefer COD over H3 that I hate H3.  The main reason from my lack of H3 playing is the fact that Halo 2 stole a year of my life, I lived for H2.  Especially the maps, they were amazing in H2 and when H3 came out I had so much confidence that the maps would be even better.   But that wasnt the case.  Also if you havent noticed Ive really been trying to get some games with gearheads.  So Ill say it again sweet if you see me online and want to play some H3 I would love to join you and who knows maybe Ill switch teams (as Im getting bored with COD now)! Just dont want you to think that I hate Halo I just prefer COD over it.  And I will agree with Zos how you always feel the need to defend Halo even when halo wasn't called out! Im pretty sure the whole community knows where we all stand on these 2 games.  

"What about the toe? FORGET ABOUT THE FUCKING TOE!"

by carr on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 02:00:42 PM EST
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That's another reason

as to why UT reigns supreme (in my eyes). UT's a fast-paced shooter, and even when you're sniping, if you're playing against other people that know what they're doing, then you'll be dead before you even aim down the scope. UT hit the hammer right on the head when it comes to shooters. UT2K4 especially, still remains as my top shooter of all time.



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by Grymm on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:00:57 PM EST


yeah

Campers suck. But thats the nature of online shooters. The only game without a dominate n00bfest is GEARS. Even UT has campers on larger maps, but they get pwn quickly... PC games are usually much better. Still a problem though.

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by Zoso Fan on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:58:42 PM EST


Pitch a tent...

It's annoying as hell in COD 4. Like you said, the game was meant to be fast-paced. Campers just ruin it.

Look at Annex versus any game mode where you have one life. You play more cautiously. You can still be aggressive, but the use of cover is key. If you don't use it, you generally die. COD just doesn't utilize cover like Gears. Hell, you can shoot through practically everything now too.

by tyrus on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 05:13:04 PM EST


Interesting diary, papi!

Going by its usage in games these days, and by what you have described above, the word "camping" basically refers anyone who gets the drop on someone else and is able to effectively follow through before that fellow can do anything about it.

By definition, sniping is camping.  Sure, you can run around and switch locations, but the entire purpose of sniping is that you kill a guy from long range when he doesn't know that he is even in someone's sight: that you kill a guy without him having a chance to kill you back.  

There is camping, and there is map control.  The latter is legitimate and should be swallowed deeply by the losers, and the former is also within the rules and confines of the game, but is frowned upon because, in attitude, everyone wants to fight WWI again, where soldiers play honorably and fair.  And why not?  If the gameplay is something that isn't fun, who wants to play it.

I think what the developers need to do is include a "collars" option.  If it is turned on, then whenever a player stops all significant movement for more than 10 seconds, the collar blows up and the camper's head explodes.  That would eliminate camping - and it would be a cinch to program.

"All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned, every one, to his own way."

by 3Suns on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 05:54:52 PM EST


They actually

have something like that in UT.



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by Grymm on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:41:32 PM EST
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Camp) ing

I actually think of campers in the following way.

  1.  they actually are usually pretty skilled
  2.  are playing by the rules
  3.  I hate them because the way they play is lame for the rest of us.  

I mean, I'm running around trying to find and start the action and they are penalizing me for doing do by sniping my head off. (In Cod and Halo).   I mean, If I didn't do my "mixin it up thang" then we would all just sit in our hidey holes and listen to Crickets mate. ;-)

I understand if it is an objective game type because there is strategy involved and they will usually lose out on getting the objective if they are camping.

But in Death and Team Death match, I HATE them.

Now in Gears, for some reason I don't have a problem.  I think I already explained that in an earlier post above.

"I do not tell lies, but I am a savage".

by Kenai 91 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:58:10 PM EST
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Kenai?

I LOVE you!

ha ha ha ha ha

"All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned, every one, to his own way."

by 3Suns on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:57:08 PM EST
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Right back at yah!`

Just put kids to bed.

They have some friends sleeping over.

Dads time now.

About ready 2 play?!!

"I do not tell lies, but I am a savage".

by Kenai 91 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:59:56 PM EST
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I think placing yourself tactically,

and letting the collar explode at the right time for kills would be funny as hell :P

by BoxinLeprechaun on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:20:34 PM EST
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I dont

mind the snipers camping, its annoying as fuck but I deal with it.  Thats their style of play, I just dont have the patience for it.  But when people sit in the same building and dont move well thats where the problems start to stir with me.  It really doesnt take much skill to sit in a dark corner and shoot at people as they run past you.  I wish there was something that we could do to fix this problem but really there isnt, some people just arent as good at the games and need every advantage they can get.  Camping will always be a factor in gaming and we'll all just have to deal with it whether we want to or not.  Believe me, when a camper kills after the 5 sec of kill cam footage I will always scream "fucking campers!"

"What about the toe? FORGET ABOUT THE FUCKING TOE!"

by carr on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:07:35 PM EST


carr, don't you think my "collars"

idea would be effective?  I think it would completely eliminate camping, and it would be easy as pie!  And absolutely hilarious.  Suddenly you see this explosion out in the field and you realize someone's collar just timed out.  No more camper!

(They could even make it so that the only people who could sit still for more than 5 or 10 seconds would be those holding a sniper rifle.)

"All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned, every one, to his own way."

by 3Suns on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:20:13 PM EST
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Great idea with the "collars"!

Ok Suns, too many nerdgasms for you today! ;)

Breakin' Bs off!!! Wooohhh!!!

by Blankman on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:32:28 PM EST
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and who said men can't have multiples!

lol ha ha ha ha ha

"All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned, every one, to his own way."

by 3Suns on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:58:05 PM EST
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You have

no idea how much I love your idea.  Im a true run n gunner, and thats in every game I play, which can hinder me at times but what the hell I want action.  It doesnt matter if its gears, halo, cod, Bioshock.  Every game I play I run out there and mix it up.  I dont know how many times I've rushed snipers even if Im holding one.  Doing this in Gears is the funnest 'cept when they AR me down then I blast out the usual "fucking active reload snipe! take my fucking head off!"

"What about the toe? FORGET ABOUT THE FUCKING TOE!"

by carr on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:17:18 PM EST
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Exactly!

No AR sniping with Gearheads.  Hope to see you on with Gears in the tray! :)

"All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned, every one, to his own way."

by 3Suns on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:56:34 PM EST
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I will try my best....

If I do get on tonight its going to be late night for the east coast early for the west coast.  Ive only got 2 weeks left with the wife before she goes away for the summer so Im trying to be a good man and spend as much time as I can with her.  She does hit the sack early though so thats a plus for me.  Dont quote me on this but I'll be there!  

"What about the toe? FORGET ABOUT THE FUCKING TOE!"

by carr on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:58:39 PM EST
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Camping

is just part of games

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by Wangler1316 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:33:57 PM EST


well

really, camping has never been an issue to me from either cod 4 or halo 3, or gears, maybe halo because i didint really play it that much and never experienced a camping freak, cod 4 because i always stay low never really run around in the open and because i usually play a lot of free for all, gears i dont think there is such a thing as camping, i just call it watching out for my own ass, because never have i seen a camper win a match

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by Evil Resident on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 02:56:09 AM EST


Campers suck

I hate campers man dam the make me angry soo much
anyways they have to make a solution to that some time.

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by juggy d on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 03:59:49 PM EST


If you're an actual member, then I only partially

apologize...

Get this spam shit out of here. I've had enough with it on GoWGamer and other forums I used to be a part of.



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by Grymm on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 04:19:35 PM EST
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ALSO!!!!

Anyone order a Podcast??? Just finished the editing, now for Zos to do the musical work and it'll be done!



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by Grymm on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 04:20:32 PM EST
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